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Fare-Free Public Transit Could Be Headed to a City Near You

By Dave Olsen, The Tyee. Posted July 26, 2007.


It's time to give people a free ride on public transit.
And here's proof it works.

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The time has come to stop making people pay to take public transit.

Why do we have any barriers to using buses and urban trains? The threat of global warming is no longer in doubt. The hue and cry of the traffic-jammed driver grows louder every commute. And politicians are getting the message. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom has ordered his staff to seriously examine the costs of charging people to ride public transit. And Michael Bloomberg, mayor of New York, recently voiced to a reporter his top dream: "I would have mass transit be given away for nothing and charge an awful lot for bringing an automobile into the city."

Consider this sampling of communities providing free rides on trolleys, buses, trams and ferries: Staten Island, N.Y.; Island County, Wash.; Chapel Hill, N.C.; Vail, Colo.; Logan and Cache Valley, Utah; Clemson, S.C.; Commerce, Calif.; Châteauroux, Vitré, and Compiègne, France; Hasselt, Belgium; Lubben, Germany; Mariehamn, Finland; Nova Gorica, Slovenia; Türi, Estonia; and Övertorneå, Sweden.

Or speak, as I have, with transit officials in parts of Belgium and the state of Washington, where fare-free transit has hummed along smoothly now for years.

Raising fares kills ridership

As even conservatives like California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger trumpet a green agenda, more people are taking a hard look at just how many of their tax dollars subsidize the private car versus less polluting buses and trains. You have to figure in roads, parking and other infrastructure, tax breaks for car and fuel companies, as well as subsidies for car-carrying ferries and federal income tax reductions and write-offs for companies that use motor vehicles.

By some estimates, the government subsidy to each private vehicle owner is about $3,700, while a common cost for providing a single trip by transit is about $5.

Yet big or small, most transit systems are scraping by or on the brink of financial collapse, paradoxically because of their reliance on the farebox. Revenue for any system drops when ridership dips or when fares are increased. Yes, when fares are increased. This is so well proven it has a name: the Simpson-Curtain rule. Most often the dip in ridership is caused by a fare hike.

To understand this cycle better, let's imagine that you are in charge of a transit system. You feel pressure to increase service or to maintain service despite increasing costs. You need to raise more money. Politically and practically, for most systems, the easiest way is to raise fares. But soon after, ridership goes down. It drops 3.8 percent for every 10 percent increase in fares, researchers have found. Which means you either haven't gained much new revenue, or worse, you've started spiraling downward.

Just one example is Toronto's transit system, which went into a 12-year downward spiral throughout the 1990s after a series of fare increases and resultant service cutbacks. The authoritative Transit Cooperative Research Program in Washington, D.C., has clearly documented how fare increases always result in lower ridership.

Fare-free success stories

Recently I met the people who run Island Transit in Whidbey Island, Wash., and rode their fare-free bus system. It's a serious operation with 56 buses and 101 vans. Ridership tops a million a year. Its operating budget is $8,392,677 -- none of it from fares, all from a 0.6 percent sales tax collected in Island County.

Despite the pressure to conform, the pressure to make users pay and the pressure from conservative politicians at all levels, Island Transit has been fare-free from day one and is proudly so 20 years later. Not one Island Transit bus, shelter or van has advertising on it. All of Island Transit's buses are bike rack equipped and wheelchair accessible. For folks with disabilities, Island Transit also offers a paratransit service with door-to-door service.

Island Transit has developed a simple policy around dealing with behavior that is unruly or disturbing to others: "The operator is the captain of their own ship." This is backed up by a state law regarding unlawful bus conduct. A bothersome rider first gets a written warning. The next time, his or her riding privileges are revoked. These privileges are only restored after completing a Rider Privilege Agreement. Island Transit has further protected its employees by installing a camera system in every vehicle. The big brotherness of it is acknowledged, but the safety of their operators simply takes priority. "Show me another transit system in Washington state," said Island Transit operator Odis D. Jenkins, "where the teenagers more often than not say 'thank you' when they get off."

Done right, fare-free transit can transform society, says Patrick Condon, an expert on sustainable urban development who knows the system in Amherst, Mass. "Free transit changed the region for the better. Students, teens and the elderly were able to move much more freely through the region. Some ascribed the resurgence of Northampton, Mass, at least in part, to the availability of free transit. Fares in that region would have provided such a small percentage of capital and operating costs that their loss was made up for by contributions by the major institutions to benefit: the five colleges in the region," says Condon, a professor at the University of British Columbia.


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Dave Olsen is a bicycle and public transit consultant, researcher and advocate who lives in Vancouver. You can reach him via editor@thetyee.ca.

This article is adapted from a five-part series published by The Tyee, Canada's leading independent source of online news and views. The series was reader-funded through charitable donations to the Tyee Fellowship Fund for Solutions-oriented Reporting.

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Great Article, UK Headed in the Opposite Direction
Posted by: Cruella on Jul 26, 2007 4:32 AM   
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This is a great article. There is a great deal to be gained from having a free transit system. The UK, unfortunately is headed in exactly the opposite direction. Privatization of the rail and underground has lead to a situation where fares increase by several percentage points above inflation while service declines. If you want to read more about what not to do, take a look here.

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Do the math.
Posted by: Michael Robin on Jul 26, 2007 4:43 AM   
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I'm in favor of free public transit, but I hate it when people can't even get their own simple math right.

"[Ridership] drops 3.8 percent for every 10 percent increase in fares, researchers have found. Which means you either haven't gained much new revenue, or worse, you've started spiraling downward."

NO! Those numbers result in a 5.8% net INCREASE in revenue for every 10% increase in fares; NOT a decrease.

When you run fast and loose with the stats, your general credibiliy goes to Hell.

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» RE: Do the math. All of it. Posted by: Bobbi Dykema Katsanis
» RE: Do the math. All of it. Posted by: D. Julian Terry
» RE: Do the math. All of it. Posted by: bornxeyed
» Read the study Posted by: cellorelio
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» Tragedy of the Commons Posted by: Artkansas
TTC Cutbacks
Posted by: zutronius on Jul 26, 2007 4:51 AM   
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The TTC now has to mothball the Sheppard-Yonge Subway line to try and save money and is now considering raising fares to $3.00. Only a year ago I was paying $2.50 for a TTC ride. The Sheppard line was used by me to get to my job. I now have an even longer ride to my job and back. When will the madness end?

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» RE: TTC Cutbacks Posted by: halg
Fare-Free Transit - the REAL challenge is in large urban hubs
Posted by: fswint on Jul 26, 2007 5:35 AM   
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I live in the city with the largest and most comprehensive public transit system in the country, New York City. In addition to a 900-mile-track-long subway system, we have 3 commuter railroads, and hundreds of bus routes that are used by millions of people everyday.

If there is ANY place to determine what impact fare-free transit could have it is here. Recently, NYC Mayor "Billionaire" Mike Bloomberg lobbied both the state capital as well as Washington to allow NYC to try congestion pricing (whereby drivers would be charged to enter midtown and downtown Manhattan in order to lower vehicular congestion) Right now, the plan is going to be studied which most likely means nothing will happen. IF the plan is approved (and there, NYC gets $500 million in federal transit funds.

The reason why I mention this is because an organization here called Transportation Alternatives reported that for a higher fee than what the Mayor suggested, the revenue generated from congestion pricing would eliminate the need for bus and subway fares.

It's interesting that this article is published just as this issue has dominated headlines here in the city, where vehicular congestion, and now even more recently, the spector of yet another fare-hike is now on the table.

I am completely for free-fare public transit (what rider wouldn't be) so long as there is revenue generated to maintain trains and buses, rennovate train and subway stations, maintain employees' salaries, and maintain 24-hour operation that is unique amongst the urban transit systems of the world.

While it may be relatively easy to implement fare-free public transit in small cities, the real challenge is to implenent this in large urban transit hubs (like NYC). The million-dollar question is: How to pay for it? While the riding public may love the prospect of free transit, we also are under one of the heaviest tax burdens of any state and municipalicity, and I know s surely as the sun rises in the east that people here would NOT want yet another tax. To make our transit system free, that would be a huge tax.

The only way to make this prospect a reality in a large urban area is signifigantly increased federal funding for public transit and transit infrastructure. Aside from tax increases, this is the ONLY way make fare-free transit a reality.

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» Or you could always... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» My MTA Gripe Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar
Great Article!
Posted by: MargoM on Jul 26, 2007 6:41 AM   
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Wow, I rode the free buses in Compiegne, France in 1981! I guess they were early adopters/innovaters. It was very nice having this service, I must admit, and I don't remember being anywhere else that had this.

This is a well-documented and thought-through article. Very convincing, with plenty of talking-points for communicating with the media (e.g., letters to the editor) or public officials.

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Don't forget about college campuses
Posted by: JBravoEcho11 on Jul 26, 2007 7:58 AM   
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At my college campus the campus buses are free and so are the townie ones (except you have to show a student ID). I couldn't imagine paying a fare each time I got on a bus. We pay for it in our tuition (basically a tax). If you don't use the buses, you wasted your money. We also pay for our gym, theatre, medical center, and museums in the same manner (the only one that still has costs is the theatre but they are reduced prices). If you choose not to use them then you waste money.

Oddly, when I got to the university I am at this summer they have the students pay for public transit and even the gym. That is silly. The students pay extra for everything. Fare-free is definitely the way to go.

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We can dream...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 26, 2007 8:49 AM   
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wouldn't it be amazing if the GTA or Golden Horseshoe actually had a PEOPLE'S transit service?

*sigh*
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Province hasn't ruled out taking over TTC
Jul 25, 2007 04:30 AM, TESS KALINOWSKI & ROBERT BENZIE
STAFF REPORTERS, Toronto Star

The province isn't making any threats – yet.

But neither cabinet ministers nor TTC observers have dismissed the idea of a Queen's Park takeover of the country's largest transit system.

With threats of subway closures, fare hikes and bus cuts looming, questions have surfaced already about who will ride to the rescue of Toronto transit users, now that the city has ordered the TTC to cut $30 million in spending this year and $100 million the next.

If Ontario's new Greater Toronto Transportation Authority can take over GO Transit and oversee the creation of a single-fare system across eight regional transit agencies, why couldn't it also integrate the TTC?

Asked Friday whether the province would consider it, Finance Minister Greg Sorbara said, "One couldn't make that kind of decision based on a week in politics."

However, he added, "Down the road we might look at a different way of approaching the management of heavy rail in this city. There's two heavy rail operators in the province: There's GO Transit and there's the TTC. Is there a better way to combine that? I'm not sure, but I think those are the things that we have to look at dispassionately rather than simply make announcements that make everyone nervous."

Sorbara stressed the province's proposal to spend $17.5 billion on a GTA transit expansion and the already funded subway extension to York Region will still go ahead.



Meanwhile, TTC commissioners were wondering whether there's any point to building subway stations and a streetcar network when there's no money to hire operators.

Within hours of Sorbara's remarks, they had decided to study the impact of pulling out of the Spadina expansion plan.

The TTC's response led to this warning from TTC patron David Fisher: "The day is coming when this system is going to be taken away from the city of Toronto."

Maybe, but not too soon, hopes transportation expert Richard Soberman. "Any idea of a takeover or a combination (of GO and TTC rail) is entirely premature because the GTTA isn't fully formed yet."



TTC chair Adam Giambrone, who also sits on the GTTA, said yesterday that board wants to lead without rushing to take over municipal jurisdictions, and Queen's Park doesn't have a track record of taking on an enterprise the size of the TTC.

Province hasn't ruled out taking over TTC
Jul 25, 2007 04:30 AM, TESS KALINOWSKI & ROBERT BENZIE, STAFF REPORTERS, Toronto Star.

"It's hard for us to imagine the province wanting to do that. At the same time, they would be held accountable for each and every problem the TTC has," he said. But he concedes: "Nothing's impossible."


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The activist credited with helping to save Toronto's streetcar system in the '70s, Steve Munro, says: "Queen's Park has a lovely hands-off position. All of a sudden people are asking Dalton McGuinty where the Queen (street)car is, and I don't think that's a question he wants to answer."

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» RE: We can dream... Posted by: pzzp
O Canada
Posted by: jim_altman on Jul 26, 2007 9:05 AM   
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Unfortunately for me, I live in the USA where double hammerlock of the oil and auto industries preclude any serious discussion of public transport. To think that less than 100 years ago most people and places in this nation were connected by affordable state and privately owned public transportation makes me weep when I consider how much of my personal income and emotional energy have been wasted over the years on the mechanical monstrosities that have occupied my garage.

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» RE: O Canada Posted by: socialscientist
Paul Cardwell
Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jul 26, 2007 9:25 AM   
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I found grim humor in this valuable piece - not because it didn't make sense, but for the fact that around here (north Texas), the main campaign is to further isolate the rural areas from the major cities and turn all public highways into toll roads for private profit.

We first need to preserve what public transportation (roads) we currently have before we can hope to make other transportation systems public.

Once most city buses and street cars were public property. The best-documented conspiracy was between oil, auto, and tire interests which destroyed the efficient streetcars and turned over municipal transit to private profit front corporations. Now even our roads are under attack.

Paul Cardwell

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» RE: Paul Cardwell Posted by: cinattra
Odd
Posted by: spencerh on Jul 26, 2007 9:30 AM   
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Ridership goes down when fares go up? How do these people who stop riding travel, then? Walk? Ride a bike? Take potentially more expensive car/taxi rides?

If you have to get to work, the cost of transportation is a given. It'd be nice to know what these people do instead.

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» Many do just that. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
At least if the province took over the TTC, that would be one service ...
Posted by: SayBlade on Jul 26, 2007 9:35 AM   
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... that could be uploaded to the province, mitigating some leftovers of the Harris government's downloading services that belong to the provinces' jurisdiction to the municipalities.

Unfortunately, TO is not getting much from the McGuinty government these days. He is losing a valuable opportunity to make good in GTA ridings to garner votes for the October election.

And, unfortunately, city councillors lost a valuable opportunity to exercise new taxing powers when they voted down the land and vehicle transfer taxes proposed by Mayor Miller.

Meanwhile, 4400 km from here, at least with the funding structure that Vancouver's transit system, shows some promise for Dave Olsen's proposal for free transit there. The TTC gets 80% of its funding from the fare box.

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Finally, Alternet LISTENS and gives readers some better food for thought.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 26, 2007 9:44 AM   
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This article is a huge step in the correct direction. Back in Hampton Roads where traffic is just as bad as Northern VA, public buses are being offered as an alternative when there is no more room left for parking. When they first came out last year, the buses were empty. Now, they're more frequented.

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NYC Transit gives free rides...
Posted by: TheNamelessCity on Jul 26, 2007 10:06 AM   
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...2 bonus free rides for every 20 dollars spent on 10 $2 fares, and 1 bonus free ride for every $10 spent on 5 fares. Better than nothing, but still just a little bone cast to the millions of cash-strapped workers who must commute from outer areas while the wealthy can live near their offices and skip the subways altogether.

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Ok, but...
Posted by: fbc21ca on Jul 26, 2007 10:31 AM   
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I can agree with Bloomberg' idea of making public transit free and charging an arm & leg to bring a car into the city, but what about when thousands of stuggling musicians, artists, filmmakers, etc., have to lug a van full of gear to a gig or a shoot (which likely pays them nothing)? Maybe they could get a special "struggling artist's dispensation" or something... ;)

Not to mention small business owners who have to have stock delivered by truck...

Hmm....

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» RE: Ok, but...So what? Posted by: heid
» You can make exceptions Posted by: mozillafs
Odd, what people do when fares go up.
Posted by: Bobbi Dykema Katsanis on Jul 26, 2007 11:25 AM   
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I lived in Minneapolis (Powderhorn Park nabe, where there are some SERIOUSLY poor people) for ten years, through three bus fare increases. Here's what folks will do when they can't afford the bus: they walk. They bum rides, if they can. Or they just don't go. We're not talking about people with (decently-paying) regular jobs, who presumably can absorb a little extra bus fare, but those whose income and transportation options are much more precarious and circumscribed. Suddenly, that $5.00/hr part-time dishwashing job in Brooklyn Park doesn't look all that hot, if you have to pay $4.25 each way to get there. Maybe you're better off looking around for another week for something closer to home, or maybe you can get your sister to drive you, if you agree to watch her kids for a few hours a week. Or maybe you're just SOL. Options for the poor become exponentially circumscribed at each level of transportation cost increase.

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Mayor Newsom, are you paying attention?
Posted by: Bobbi Dykema Katsanis on Jul 26, 2007 11:29 AM   
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Free transit in the Bay Area would be a GODSEND. Currently, it costs you six bucks to get to and from just about anywhere on BART (and the trains don't run after midnight). Eleven to get to the airport (maybe that run should still cost money, from an environmental standpoint). AC Transit in the East Bay charges for TRANSFERS as well as the ticket itself. And at busy times and places, there are NEVER enough buses/trolleys/train cars. SF is one of the most touristed (and full of homeless people) cities in the world. Free transit -- with enough vehicles to absorb the extra ridership -- could improve the city and the area in ways beyond current imagining.

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Yes to free BART
Posted by: madaha on Jul 26, 2007 2:17 PM   
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Exactly! I was just bitching to a friend about this yesterday. When the freeway collapse happened, BART managed to give free rides to the yuppie car drivers who never use BART from Walnut Creek and Concord, people who OBVIOUSLY can afford to pay the fare, and ridership skyrocketed. Instead of saying, "hey, maybe we should consider some sort of similar thing long-term for everyone to avoid our permanent gridlock nightmare", the powers that be just concentrated on getting everyone back on the freeways in their cars ASAP. What a lost opportunity! I use BART all the time from Oakland, for work for a crappy paycheck, and no one's ever given me a fare break. Where's the logic? I feel riders like me, who have a car, but leave it at home should be rewarded, as an incentive to others. And low-income types in general should have their rides comped.

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Miscellaneous
Posted by: anothername on Jul 26, 2007 2:24 PM   
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The congestion pricing being proposed in New York City and in San Francisco is a requirement of a US Dept of Transportation National Strategy to reduce congestion. Visit the DOT's website for information about all that is required.

Several communities have fare-free zones in their downtown areas. Many other towns have drastically-reduced fare for the town center. Totally free travel is an interesting idea.

If we don't want youth or homeless, let's invest in day-long centers where homeless people can stay warm or cool, without being threatened or hassled, and provide designated school-travel buses but my attitude is that youth riding with adults can learn responsible behavior.

Let's include all auto costs when we compare with public transit, too. Bus authority bureaucracy vs. motor registration bureaucracy; transit police vs highway patrol; cost of numerous short private auto trips versus long loops of public transit - that may or may not be full of passengers.

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those pesky youth - WTF?
Posted by: madaha on Jul 26, 2007 2:35 PM   
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Teenagers need to be embraced and welcomed into society, not treated like they're de facto anti-social. What is wrong with us? I noticed when I was living in Europe that teenagers were welcomed onto the bus and chatted with, with respect and affection, and they responded with respect. We're the adults. They take their cue from us. Our society is already far too segregated. Let's not make it worse.

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» RE: those pesky youth - WTF? Posted by: zyxwvut
no cost mass transit... good idea
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jul 26, 2007 2:42 PM   
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Imagine the savings to the masses... in everything from carbon tax credits on pollution to less energy consumption and overall less waste... plus a thousand other cost savings ideas that i cant imagine atm but am sure you can ...
Couldn't all these savings somehow be directed into the cost recovery of providing "FREE" mass transit? with the remaining overhead if there is any, going to employers, employees and consumers who are now gonna be dependent on it...

It would further reduce the high cost of urban living and is definitely worth looking into!

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» RE: no cost mass transit... good idea Posted by: socialscientist
Believe it or not,
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jul 26, 2007 4:01 PM   
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mass transit here in the Detroit area is SO F-ING BAD that y'all are making me jealous!

plur

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» RE: Believe it or not, Posted by: socialscientist
The people pay for everything not matter what
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Jul 26, 2007 8:30 PM   
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Like healthcare, public transportation has its parisites too. Oftern, the tax money that gets paid either gets used on services that don't benific the people who pay it (like the commuter railroads subsidised by NYC taxpayers) or worse ends up lining pockets. E.g. roads are intentionally built using a technology inferior to the technology used in Western European coutries so the roads have to be resurfaced more frequently (So this creates jobs, but why not just give the workers a welfare check for the same amount and save natural resourses or employ more of people where we need them, like schools.). And its the owners of contruction companies, not so much construction workers, who really profit from this practice. I don't no what the details are of what goes on in the case of busses and subways, but I'm sure analogous practices are at work since even public systems like the MTA use many private contractors.

The US is a massively walthy country; there's just no excuse we can't get our public transportation up to, say, the level of Latvia. The problem is that there's little profit in it. (NB: European countries that have publicly run bus and rail operators have much better systems generally than ones, like UK, that have privately runned services--Central London is an exception; try waiting for a commuter train in Preston to get an honest impression of the UK set-up.)

We will pay one way or another, but we need to be in a position to decide HOW the money is spent--like everything else, the real problem is lack of democracy!

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riding the bus sucks
Posted by: jingles on Jul 26, 2007 9:06 PM   
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I take public transit, and have for 15 years in NYC and Seattle. I'm glad the systems exist, but if I could, I would drive.
*the buses and trains themselves are very loud inside, regardless of passengers (who only rarely cause discomfort, even the crack head who borrowed a lighter was extremely gracious and polite)
*it takes about three times as long riding the bus vs. driving
*buses limit mobility- you're required plan your day
*buses make you reliant on someone else- its 10pm, the bus doesn't come, so you end up waiting for over an hour for the next one, and of course, there is no accountability, nothing you can do.
*you HAVE TO walk, wait, wait and schlep
Should it be free? Obviously!

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» RE: riding the bus sucks Posted by: cinattra
A Classic AlterNet Delusion
Posted by: gellero on Jul 26, 2007 9:16 PM   
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Free Busses????? What do you mean by Free?? In Aspen we pay a 9% sales tax to get our freebies. Ain't that grand?? And we are 'subsidized' because the government 'allows' us to use the highways we paid for in confiscatory taxes??

The logic of this befuddles me.....'scuse me while I have another Martini.

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» RE: A Classic AlterNet Delusion Posted by: SatanicJamboree
Hey Parm, You Reading This?
Posted by: apophenia_monkey on Jul 26, 2007 9:29 PM   
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though i doubt it, considering your mentality that i should be bussing tables and be happy about it rather using my skills for my chosen career.

HERE is middle ground. middle ground is not telling me to give up 6 years of school to be a lackey like you to save the planet.

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see the big picture
Posted by: socialscientist on Jul 28, 2007 5:29 AM   
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Carfree Times
Posted by: TokyoTuds on Jul 29, 2007 6:25 AM   
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JH Crawford is a well-known proponent of car-free cities, but even without going that far, he proposes no-fare public transit as well. He has a lot of good info on improving public transit worth reading.

Carfree Times link.

I now live in Tokyo, and it is standard that all companies reimburse employees for the full cost of commuting to work by public transit. Public transit is fully utilised here, let me tell you!

When I started working in Toronto in 1990, my company offered me a parking spot downtown, and as I didn't own a car, I said give it to someone else (as spots were limited). and asked that they reimburse me for a transit pass: they laughed at the second part.

We need to get our heads out of the sand, people!

Tuds

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The Republicans...
Posted by: bob t on Jul 30, 2007 9:30 AM   
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...would never allow it; and they own us.
So until we can dropkick the Rethugs out of governemnt control this fare free thing will never happen.
And to get rid of the Rethugs one has to stop their right wing religious enablers and the corporatocracy.
We will never stop the corporatocracy their are two religions(Mormons and evangelical fundamentalists) that totally conflate religion, business and politics) and the evangelical fundies are so vicious that an all out war will be necessary to stop them.
To defeat the Rethugs is possible. A major supporter and enabler of the Rethugs are the Pope and the right wing Catholics. That will require another war but maybe not a blood war.
I would suggest publicly attacking the Catholic Church, my religion, and embarrassing it in public. Is that likely to happen, no because the MSM is controlled by Republicans who want the Catholic votes to maintain their hypocrisy of any means for profit, no matter how many have to die or suffer.
But if it could be done ending the Catholic support for the Republican party will more than likely end Republican rule of the US and the ME and then the world.
Can the pope see through his own hypocrisy of killing, not likely. He is totally enamored with power, as all popes have been.
Still get the right wing Catholics to stop supporting the agenda of death and the Rethug Party will become much weaker, and thus much more controllable by 'we the people'.
Then and only then may some things become possible.
Also isolating the Rethug Party as the party of the south, regionalizing it, will also help.
So get the pope, and the right wing Catholics out of American politics could easily solve the problems of death and destruction that we all face.
However in mid Dec. of 2004 I got a letter to the Vatican/the Pope/John Paul II asking him to stay out of american policies and politics. At the end of Jan, 2005 the response was a public statement by the Pope that he was not involved in American politics and policies, my exact words.
But it was obvious he lied. Only four months earlier he had interfered in American politics by threatening Sen. Kerry with excommunication which threw fear into him and rallied the right wing Catholics to once again vote for Bush/Cheney/Rove; and the results of that are quite obvious, and on a daily basis as the deaths and maimings continue. So much for the pro-lifers NOT, only pro-death, pro-Republican, pro-corporatocracy asa are the Popes brethern the evangelical fundies.

The conflation of religion, business(aka binness aka bidness) and politics just ignores Jesus' admonition forbidding the merging of church and state, as does our now shredded Constitution, but then moral relativism by the Pope, the right wing Catholics and their brethern the evangelical fundies is just the cherry picking they just love to do.

No religion should ever support any political party, elstwise it descends into the slime of politics; and that is exactly what the aforementioned have done, descended into the slime of politics especially Repub politics, the worst of all.

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» RE: The Republicans... Posted by: Raymonde
frank69
Posted by: frank69 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM   
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Portland, OR has a free transit circle route in the center of the city.

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Free in the Mountains
Posted by: UP58 on Aug 6, 2007 8:35 AM   
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Public transportation - via "Apple Cart" - is also free in the Boone NC area. It started out as a service for students at Appalachian State University (hence its name) and then was extended to anyone and everyone in the area. It is funded by grants and funds from the University. What a boon (no pun intended) for a place with limited parking.

OK - The population figures aren't large (maybe in the service area about 30,000 people, with students included), but it certainly helps.

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Getting People Out Of Cars And Into Public Transit
Posted by: Jeff Hoffman on Aug 24, 2007 12:37 PM   
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I've been advocating free public transit for about 20 years, funded by a gasoline tax on private motor vehicles. (I've also been advocating for about 30 years the banning of private motor vehicles from use in urban areas, which would eliminate the problem without manipulating taxes or money, but that solution would be far more politically difficult.) Making public transit free and driving more expensive would get a significant number of people out of their cars. Additionally, the gasoline tax should be high enough to pay for major improvements to public transit, such as building subways so that people don't have to spend unreasonable amounts of time on buses just to go a few miles across town. If and when enough people quit driving, the tax will have to be paid by all of us, but that's far better than the "tax" that Mother Nature will charge us if we continue to consume and burn oil.

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